And who’d have thought, Tom and Matt come armed with a variety of reasons why this song might just be a tiny bit queer. This week’s Camp Classic sees J udas Priest‘s ‘Hell Bent for Leather’, from which the podcast took its name, finally discussed.

He and Tom finish on another uplifting note, talking about how most of the places that Allegaeon play on tour these days are LGBT-friendly, with pride flags and safe space stickers in abundance, and how this would have been unthinkable just a decade ago. Michael discussed his early fears of getting kicked out of a band for his sexuality or not being able to play shows, but how now he feels that that would never be a problem. He also speaks about how it was for him growing up gay being into metal, how his friends at the time were more gatekeeping of the scene and how he felt that coming out to that group at the time could have been a completely different story to the welcoming response he got when he eventually did come out years later. Michael also speaks about how he’s recently been posting and talking more about his sexuality than before, so that queer metal fans can have someone relatable to see.